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By Live Dr - Tue Feb 17, 6:24 pm

Patrick

Those of u who have sense, Save yourselves!!!

Unfortunately, I have found myself in a College full of people incapable of thinking for themselves and therefore am in a situation which i may not be able to change, a situation that may very well leave me rotting in the world, havin nothing to show for the time i studied here because with no graduation certificate, I am effectively still a +2 graduate.

I will give below a number of reasons why students studying in china should prefer the 5 year courses as has already been implemented in Universites throughout China.

I will prefer and encourage proper replies and arguments if any on the matter as they may very well be informative to me as well …

Please read this carefully and make a logical decision…
1)Check IMED for recognized colleges and course duration in china:
https://imed.faimer.org/

2)Information on USMLE Eligibility:
http://www.usmle.org/General_Information/bulletin/2009/eligibility.htmlhttp://www.ecfmg.org/2009ib/ibcert.html#requirementsforcert
Note: 
Applicants must document the completion of all requirements for, and receipt of, the final medical diploma. ECFMG verifies every applicant’s medical school diploma with the appropriate officials of the medical school that issued the diploma and requests that the medical school provide the final medical school transcript

3)Information on AMC:
http://www.amc.org.au/
Note:
Unless evidence is provided of satisfactory completion of training in clinical medicine, holders of qualifications in Public Health medicine, such as Chinese Public Health degrees, are not considered as holding a valid degree in medicine and surgery for the purposes of eligibility to sit the AMC Examinations.
4)Eligibility for AMC:
http://www.amc.org.au/index.php/img/exam/appinfo
Note:
*An approved course of study means that candidates must be able to demonstrate completion of a clinical medical curriculum of at least four academic years, leading to an entitlement to registration in the country issuing the degree to practice clinical medicine.
In order to be entitled for registration in China, a 5year degree is required!!!
5)Last but not least, even in case of future changes, the basic MCI rule is:
http://mciindia.org/know/rules/screen_test.htm
Note:
“Primary Medical qualification” means a medical qualification awarded by any medical institution outside India which is a recognized qualification for enrolment as medical practitioner in the country in which the institution awarding the said qualification is situated and which is equivalent to MBBS in India”
The Council issues Conditional Provisional Registration u/s 25(1) of the I.M.C. Act, 1956 to the Candidates possessing recognised foreign medical qualification to undergo one year internship training provided the candidate submits the copy of degree, passport and 10+2 mark sheet or its equivalent (in original) with the required fee for Rs.1000/- by a Bank Draft in favour of Secretary, Medical Council of India subject to verification of degree, passport and 10+2 mark sheet or its equivalent from the authorities concerned

http://mciindia.org/helpdesk/register/procedure.htm

For those of you who don’t know, the Condition provisional registraion to start with internship … and it says there that you need a copy of the degree certificate …

To put it simply people, it is best under any circumstance to go back to India with your degree certificate … which means spending atleast 5 years in china, which is the minimum duration in china for course completion and issuance of medical degree with all priveleges.

Myth: MCI does not accept 5 year degrees
Truth: People have returned to India with the 5 years degree and have written and passed MCI without any hassle.

The basic ugly truth of the matter is, not everyone is going to get through MCI on the first attempt and so it is advisable to think of the future and to keep your options open for which you stand a much better chance with your graduate degree certificate in hand.

Hope this information to which many, who by mere self-inflicted foolishness, have turned a blind eye, is of some help.

Go for the five year plan people, and secure your future. Don’t jump into anything that you may regret later. Haste lays waste more often than you may realise.

Good luck people… God bless.

Hi Patrick

For USMLE or other exams like that, yea… u need to have a full valid certificate.. 
But if MCI takes a decision in favor of students that we can appear for the FMGE with a provisional certificate, then as far as students with the aim of FMGE won’t have any problem. 

The as said in the MCI website “Primary Medical qualification” means a medical qualification awarded by any medical institution outside India which is a recognized qualification for enrolment as medical practitioner in the country in which the institution awarding the said qualification is situated and which is equivalent to MBBS in India”
If they strictly follows that rule, we all then need to clear HSK too because HSK is compulsory for practicing in China, right? So, that’s not strictly followed, I think.
Then regarding the next rule saying “…..undergo one year internship training provided the candidate submits the copy of degree…..”. if they are now changing it, what’s the problem?

As u said, I too agree with the fact that all won’t pass it in the first go itself. Until they pass it, they are just like a +2 student. But another thing is that, if they can’t pass FMGE in 2nd or 3rd attempt, its better to stay away from USMLE or other much more tough exams, we don’t need to worry about not able to write them…

Actually, there is no point in just saying what we feel. It’s MCI who has to take a decision upon this matter. Once it comes, we can think over it; and those who want to continue here till getting a complete certificate can do that , and those want to go back without doing internship in China can go for that too… Atleast, we are having 2 options then..

So, lets wait for the MCI decision to come. And we will see how things work out for CTGU already passed students as well.

hi rejaneesh .. thanks for the reply …
here’s the thing …
Firstly, the graduation certificate on mentions on it that you are entitled to such privileges as being entitled … Hsk is a matter of the local policy, which is only applicable if we wish to pursue a career here, which then will require many more formalities making it next to impossible and as such does not concern us… and so the degree certificate will do.

Secondly, they mention that a copy of the degree is required .. i take that to mean, a copy of the degree certificate and not just the provisonal certificate…

Thirdly, I agree that it sounds outrageous thinking of USMLE when u aren’t able to get through MCI, but one should also consider those trying for USMLE directly without even MCI. For example, a lot of the girls may marry from abroad and may wish to pursue thier careers abroad … and as for people thing about Australia, I’m sure the numbers are really high. Even then, you should remember that the developed countries are not the only option.

Forthly, it has just been brought to my attention, that one of the main points that the 2003 batch from CTGU argued in court is that since they were allowed to write the exam, they should be permitted to go through and thier procedures should be completed. However I have not heard so far about future batches.

As for waiting, by the time you are in my shoes, about to leave after a 4.5 years, one tends to wonder when the wait will end … My thoughts on the other hand are to try and make the most possible logical and educated decision in this very limited time and from everything i have come to find out, that is to go only after getting the degree. Which is again affirmed by the fact that those students that have gone back also feel the same …

and those want to go back without doing internship in China can go for that too… Atleast, we are having 2 options then..

Also, I only wish that such an option was available … the situation currently is that everyone in the same batch must go out the same way …. yipee huh!

add even this to the points

it’s all about self esteem,just clearing the MCI cant make any 1 a good doctor who was made in china, RUSSIA , UKRAINE , GEORGIA , PHILIPPINES am not saying every IMStuds are good 
It’s all about what you know in the medical field… students who do M.B;B.S outside INDIA don’t have exposure to the patients and still in some case most medical student learn TO USE THE INJECTION in INDIA,

SO MEDICAL STUDIES MUST BE ON PAR WITH THE MEDICAL EXPERIENCE 

thats what medical is ,as far as am concerned 

article by Patrick
blcok quote Rejaneesh , livedr

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  1. Whoever posted this should not take the intended meaning out of context!
    The post simply goes to show the many advantages of returning to India with a full graduation degree certificate than returning with a Provisional certificate.

    Read before you leap!

    Also, the assumption that medical students from foreign countries are lacking in skill is outrageous, insulting and without substance. There may be weak students in every university, regardless of country and i’m sure India produces its fair share of thos who don’t know how to use the ‘needle’.

    Why not instead of predicting the outcomes of the students, actually comment on the performance of foreign medical graudates in the hospitals as doctors???

  2. thats fact
    try to understand,no use of compromise

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